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Paying a club visit forward?
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So while we are not hardened club goers we certainly do enjoy visiting when we have the opportunity.
Our preference is to visit clubs that offer a hotel room on site but obviously many fantastic clubs offer other options (hotels that are close by). Anyway given that most on this site would like if possible to support their favourite clubs through difficult times we wondered if booking an overnight stay and club entry ticket without a set date might be an option?
It might help some clubs get through the next 6 months as well as allowing people to at least look forward to attending a club in the future. Obviously not everyone will be in a position to do this which is completely understandable, nor is it a full proof plan of action but we did wonder if it might be an option - perhaps for stocking filler at Christmas time....
Ps - please be kind in the replies lol
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over a year ago
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Thats a very positive comment, I already have booking for next May and February, however have not taken monies on the basis we don't know what the hell is happening!!!
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It’s certainly an idea club owners could explore.
The problem is (in our humble opinion) is that the club scene is so niche that it’s hard to diversify as a business. If you look at a lot of other ‘entertainment’ businesses they’ve had to adapt their offerings .... pubs offering take out, Restaraunts doing deliveries etc.
Some clubs did that by offering social only events, but other than that what do they do to diversify and keep some turnover happening? Offering what is in affect a voucher Scheme might get some uptake by a hardcore of regular users but it may not appeal to the casual or infrequent club goer, of which I assume make up a large percentage of clientele???
It’s a dire situation for club owners and we can only wish them the best. I suppose I put this one in the ‘no harm in trying’ bracket as a business option but I’m
Not sure how much traction it would gain . |
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We have looked into a pay it forward scheme and we have chosen to hold fire on it.
There is a legal ramification of 'services rendered' if the club has to shut down and they are unable to fulfil their side of the bargain. There is the possibility of the customer signing a disclaimer whereby they understand that they could lose their money, but this doesn't sit well with me, so we are holding on until we know more about how this thing will pan out.
It's a great idea though and thank you for trying to help clubs and being so positive xx |
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I know someone who had a hotel/club booking fully paid for in advance for a date in November,obviously the new lockdown happened so it was out of their hands,the booking has been honoured and in credit ready to rebook when they can,so no problem at all
They have another booking early December which nobody knows at present what the situation will be,however the club will honour it too if there is a problem
The lockdown and tier system is a new thing this year and the club has been very understanding of the situation,even though they lose out,the customer doesn't |
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I think so long as a club can be flexible with the booking dates and act in good faith, many people would (when financially possible) book an overnight stay away for a date to be determined in 2021.
Like we said it may only be a sticking plaster solution but surely something can be worked on.
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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago
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"I think so long as a club can be flexible with the booking dates and act in good faith, many people would (when financially possible) book an overnight stay away for a date to be determined in 2021.
Like we said it may only be a sticking plaster solution but surely something can be worked on.
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We think your heart is in the right place but to many pitfalls for it to work. |
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Why couldn’t the club take the payment as a deposit for a room not as a room booking ?
I’d book a few at Chams that’s for sure !!
I’d pay double to be there all weekend when they open if anyone from Chams is reading xx |
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Cards on the table....
The problem is that some clubs are on their knees. Any money that they get in, including your advance bookings will be used to pay their bills while closed. If this thing goes on and on as we suspect, more clubs will close and as they have already spent your money to pay their bills, you won't get it back!
So if you take part in such a scheme, you need to be prepared to lose your money!!
I don't want that burden and although we have no intention of throwing the towel in anytime soon, until we have a clearer picture about our future, I do not want to take money in advance of services.
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Before 2nd of November we were all back in gyms, on the underground and back in the office.
Covid is an airborne disease and not an STD so if I am having sex with someone or standing next to them on a train then am I more / less / as likely to catch Covid ?
I feel for clubs and I feel for the population and with the government waxing lyrical about purchasing 5million vaccines in a country with a population of 69million we are not going to be clear for a long time yet...
At what point do we swallow hard and tell the Uk to crack on and just isolate the vulnerable (over 60 and underlying).
Maybe a club rule of no more than 15 mins inside another person  I k ow many men that can easily adhere to that rule ?? |
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"Before 2nd of November we were all back in gyms, on the underground and back in the office.
Covid is an airborne disease and not an STD so if I am having sex with someone or standing next to them on a train then am I more / less / as likely to catch Covid ?
I feel for clubs and I feel for the population and with the government waxing lyrical about purchasing 5million vaccines in a country with a population of 69million we are not going to be clear for a long time yet...
At what point do we swallow hard and tell the Uk to crack on and just isolate the vulnerable (over 60 and underlying).
Maybe a club rule of no more than 15 mins inside another person I k ow many men that can easily adhere to that rule ?? "
This is all well and good and not what the OP was asking, but the fact remains, that by law, we are not allowed to open for swinging parties for a very long time and clubs have no income with no end in sight |
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"Before 2nd of November we were all back in gyms, on the underground and back in the office.
Covid is an airborne disease and not an STD so if I am having sex with someone or standing next to them on a train then am I more / less / as likely to catch Covid ?
I feel for clubs and I feel for the population and with the government waxing lyrical about purchasing 5million vaccines in a country with a population of 69million we are not going to be clear for a long time yet...
At what point do we swallow hard and tell the Uk to crack on and just isolate the vulnerable (over 60 and underlying).
Maybe a club rule of no more than 15 mins inside another person I k ow many men that can easily adhere to that rule ??
This is all well and good and not what the OP was asking, but the fact remains, that by law, we are not allowed to open for swinging parties for a very long time and clubs have no income with no end in sight"
Are you able to claim any grants? |
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"Before 2nd of November we were all back in gyms, on the underground and back in the office.
Covid is an airborne disease and not an STD so if I am having sex with someone or standing next to them on a train then am I more / less / as likely to catch Covid ?
I feel for clubs and I feel for the population and with the government waxing lyrical about purchasing 5million vaccines in a country with a population of 69million we are not going to be clear for a long time yet...
At what point do we swallow hard and tell the Uk to crack on and just isolate the vulnerable (over 60 and underlying).
Maybe a club rule of no more than 15 mins inside another person I k ow many men that can easily adhere to that rule ??
This is all well and good and not what the OP was asking, but the fact remains, that by law, we are not allowed to open for swinging parties for a very long time and clubs have no income with no end in sight
Are you able to claim any grants?"
Clubs/night clubs haven't been eligible for most grants. We weren't eligible for the Local lockdown grant as you had to be fully operational until we went into Tier3 and forced to shut. We haven't been fully operational since March. There were other caveats too. We ARE entitled to some grant money from the November lockdown but if we come out of it in December, that will stop. So one month worth of help. All clubs are in the same boat and the councils are doing everything they can to not pay out. Don't get me started!!! hahaha xx |
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"Before 2nd of November we were all back in gyms, on the underground and back in the office.
Covid is an airborne disease and not an STD so if I am having sex with someone or standing next to them on a train then am I more / less / as likely to catch Covid ?
I feel for clubs and I feel for the population and with the government waxing lyrical about purchasing 5million vaccines in a country with a population of 69million we are not going to be clear for a long time yet...
At what point do we swallow hard and tell the Uk to crack on and just isolate the vulnerable (over 60 and underlying).
Maybe a club rule of no more than 15 mins inside another person I k ow many men that can easily adhere to that rule ??
This is all well and good and not what the OP was asking, but the fact remains, that by law, we are not allowed to open for swinging parties for a very long time and clubs have no income with no end in sight
Are you able to claim any grants?
Clubs/night clubs haven't been eligible for most grants. We weren't eligible for the Local lockdown grant as you had to be fully operational until we went into Tier3 and forced to shut. We haven't been fully operational since March. There were other caveats too. We ARE entitled to some grant money from the November lockdown but if we come out of it in December, that will stop. So one month worth of help. All clubs are in the same boat and the councils are doing everything they can to not pay out. Don't get me started!!! hahaha xx"
What about this
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/check-if-your-nightclub-dance-hall-or-adult-entertainment-business-is-eligible-for-a-coronavirus-grant-due-to-national-restrictions |
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"Before 2nd of November we were all back in gyms, on the underground and back in the office.
Covid is an airborne disease and not an STD so if I am having sex with someone or standing next to them on a train then am I more / less / as likely to catch Covid ?
I feel for clubs and I feel for the population and with the government waxing lyrical about purchasing 5million vaccines in a country with a population of 69million we are not going to be clear for a long time yet...
At what point do we swallow hard and tell the Uk to crack on and just isolate the vulnerable (over 60 and underlying).
Maybe a club rule of no more than 15 mins inside another person I k ow many men that can easily adhere to that rule ??
This is all well and good and not what the OP was asking, but the fact remains, that by law, we are not allowed to open for swinging parties for a very long time and clubs have no income with no end in sight
Are you able to claim any grants?
Clubs/night clubs haven't been eligible for most grants. We weren't eligible for the Local lockdown grant as you had to be fully operational until we went into Tier3 and forced to shut. We haven't been fully operational since March. There were other caveats too. We ARE entitled to some grant money from the November lockdown but if we come out of it in December, that will stop. So one month worth of help. All clubs are in the same boat and the councils are doing everything they can to not pay out. Don't get me started!!! hahaha xx
What about this
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/check-if-your-nightclub-dance-hall-or-adult-entertainment-business-is-eligible-for-a-coronavirus-grant-due-to-national-restrictions"
Yes, this is what we're fighting for now and they may take it off us once lockdown is lifted in December if we open for private hires, which is a minimal income, but then so is the grant. It's a kick in the teeth as it's not backdated, it's only from this lockdown, even though a lot of clubs have been closed since March. Also for some clubs who have paid staff on Furlough, this won't even cover any shortfall in wages top ups for staff. The grant won't even cover basic overheads, hence why a lot of us are continuing our fundraising efforts |
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"Before 2nd of November we were all back in gyms, on the underground and back in the office.
Covid is an airborne disease and not an STD so if I am having sex with someone or standing next to them on a train then am I more / less / as likely to catch Covid ?
I feel for clubs and I feel for the population and with the government waxing lyrical about purchasing 5million vaccines in a country with a population of 69million we are not going to be clear for a long time yet...
At what point do we swallow hard and tell the Uk to crack on and just isolate the vulnerable (over 60 and underlying).
Maybe a club rule of no more than 15 mins inside another person I k ow many men that can easily adhere to that rule ??
This is all well and good and not what the OP was asking, but the fact remains, that by law, we are not allowed to open for swinging parties for a very long time and clubs have no income with no end in sight
Are you able to claim any grants?
Clubs/night clubs haven't been eligible for most grants. We weren't eligible for the Local lockdown grant as you had to be fully operational until we went into Tier3 and forced to shut. We haven't been fully operational since March. There were other caveats too. We ARE entitled to some grant money from the November lockdown but if we come out of it in December, that will stop. So one month worth of help. All clubs are in the same boat and the councils are doing everything they can to not pay out. Don't get me started!!! hahaha xx
What about this
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/check-if-your-nightclub-dance-hall-or-adult-entertainment-business-is-eligible-for-a-coronavirus-grant-due-to-national-restrictions
Yes, this is what we're fighting for now and they may take it off us once lockdown is lifted in December if we open for private hires, which is a minimal income, but then so is the grant. It's a kick in the teeth as it's not backdated, it's only from this lockdown, even though a lot of clubs have been closed since March. Also for some clubs who have paid staff on Furlough, this won't even cover any shortfall in wages top ups for staff. The grant won't even cover basic overheads, hence why a lot of us are continuing our fundraising efforts "
Saying all of this, if we get it, which would be around £1300 for the month, we would be grateful as it's better than nothing |
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It's a great idea, but if you invest now and the club closed then I guess you would lose your money.
If it's just a few quid though then I guess that would be cool |
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Hopefully, one outcome of this is that people will appreciate the clubs that remain more and realise they are worth paying for.
It’s a really tough time for owners and staff (and of course in other sectors to).
Unfortunately some have already closed for good, but we really hope that the majority can find a way to hang on until some normality returns. |
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By *on_LaraCouple
over a year ago
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We did suggest to our local club (LB) that they ask their members for a donation. If you really are a club and we really are members then it’s in all our interests for them to stay afloat. No idea how many members a club has but if it’s, say, 4,000 then a £30 donation would be £120k. If only 1/4 do so then it’s still a £30k survival fund (or whatever the maths actually is)...  |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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The problem is (in our humble opinion) is that the club scene is so niche that it’s hard to diversify ."
I don’t agree , I’ve worked with businesses over the last 30 years and you can always diversify and/or grow if you really want to, a reality in business is demand is always elastic.
The problem is actually many SME and micro business owners dont actually want to grow, they dint want the problems that creating jobs brings , and that’s fair enough. Growth in SME is very painful , requires different skills , but another reality is businesses don’t survive If they are static - like a houseplant , they’re either growing or dying |
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The problem is (in our humble opinion) is that the club scene is so niche that it’s hard to diversify .
I don’t agree , I’ve worked with businesses over the last 30 years and you can always diversify and/or grow if you really want to, a reality in business is demand is always elastic.
The problem is actually many SME and micro business owners dont actually want to grow, they dint want the problems that creating jobs brings , and that’s fair enough. Growth in SME is very painful , requires different skills , but another reality is businesses don’t survive If they are static - like a houseplant , they’re either growing or dying "
And, new clubs will spring up over time to replace those that have gone out of business. |
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The problem is (in our humble opinion) is that the club scene is so niche that it’s hard to diversify .
I don’t agree , I’ve worked with businesses over the last 30 years and you can always diversify and/or grow if you really want to, a reality in business is demand is always elastic.
The problem is actually many SME and micro business owners dont actually want to grow, they dint want the problems that creating jobs brings , and that’s fair enough. Growth in SME is very painful , requires different skills , but another reality is businesses don’t survive If they are static - like a houseplant , they’re either growing or dying "
I agree that out of every negative, a positive can be found. Having spoken to many club owners, there are a couple of things holding them back from diversifying and doing sonething else with their building.
The main stumbling block is money. Most clubs now have empty coffers and to change the building into something else will take money. Even small changes will cost and for some, they are literally fighting each month just to find the money to pay bills. For example, a club considered changing into a b & b/hotel but when the fire safety guys came in, to get approval as such, they would need an external and internal fire escape stairwell. This costs a fortune and was a bridge too far.
The other stumbling block is that some councils are not handing out new licences only maintaining old licences at the moment. So if a club wanted to change to a bar or restaurant and didn't previously have a premises licence or other associated licences, they couldn't do it.
Some buildings are in remote areas, on industrial estates or in areas where there is little passing trade. So this would be a barrier to some business ideas.
So, I agree that solutions can be found but for some, the barriers are just too high to overcome. |
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