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Outlook still grim for clubs....
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"Not a great deal offered by BoJo tonight. Not sure what you can read into it..... When's the earliest a swingers club might re open? " Do you really think that what the Govt (or Prime Minister specifically) says will impact the future viability of re-opening a Swingers a club? | |||
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"Goodbye to clubs .social distancing is going to be part of our lives for along time . "Unfortunately i fully agree. Our little recreational adventure playgrounds aren't funded, backed or even welcomed by councils and governments. With lockdown thoroughly burning into highstreet companies financial backup funds now they are starting to fall by the wayside, clubs rely fully on paying members just to stay on even ground at the best of times. I dread to think how many will close forever due to this virus. Its sad to see the owners who have poured years of hard work into keeping them open now staring at a possible closure through no fault of their own. | |||
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"Goodbye to clubs .social distancing is going to be part of our lives for along time . "Sadly this is correct. Moreover I do not think life will be the same again | |||
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"Clubs 12 month from now minimum but poss 24 month.Anyone one who remotely thinks before that is a dreamer." And your official source of this is??????? | |||
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"Ain’t gonna be this year..." Ain't gonna be 2021 either! | |||
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"Social distancing in a swingers club is possible but that would make it just a social club with no swinging. That is the only way that the clubs can run for a while and with limited people in the clubs. That is is the only way that you can support a club if possible. Otherwise it will probably be next year. " So what's gonna change next year? | |||
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"Social distancing in a swingers club is possible but that would make it just a social club with no swinging. That is the only way that the clubs can run for a while and with limited people in the clubs. That is is the only way that you can support a club if possible. Otherwise it will probably be next year. So what's gonna change next year?" Rather hope that the virus is under control by then and that we have anti dope. | |||
"Clubs gyms pubs cinemas will not open before Xmas sadly because of social distances " actually i am going to be a little bit more optimistic with some of those.... I think you could open gyms and cinema's with social distancing (so all those running with reduced capacities...) I could see pubs with large areas (actually this is where someone like a wtherspoons could open) or beer gardens opening.... again with spacing guidelines, at seat service ect..... whether any of those would be profitable running at such reduced capacity may be a different question clubs and nightclubs i don't see coming back for a long,long time now, especially if it does spike again in the autumn! | |||
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"Social distancing in a swingers club is possible but that would make it just a social club with no swinging. That is the only way that the clubs can run for a while and with limited people in the clubs. That is is the only way that you can support a club if possible. Otherwise it will probably be next year. So what's gonna change next year? Rather hope that the virus is under control by then and that we have anti dope. " Wishful thinking . No such thing as 'controlling' a virus - it's out there and unfortunately it's not going anywhere. We can maybe control the amount of people infected at similar times with restrictions but that's just about it. Have to hope for a vaccine but that's a big if | |||
"Think if everyone is waiting for a magic cure then they will be waiting for years Best we can hope for is a flu type vaccination which only reduces the symptoms and doesn't stop you still getting it or dying from it if your elderly or have underlying illnesses The way virus mutate it will hard to eradicate it totally but as with most virus people will build up an immune system to it They now saying many already had it in Nov n Dec some were that mild they never realised they had it We want to look on the optimistic side of things The ammount of deaths have been awful but many more have recovered than died so that's a plus to hold onto Having been at work all through this has helped with stress many are suffering from in isolation " A flu type vaccine reducing symptoms etc would be a hugely successful outcome | |||
"I’m still optimistic that they will reopen with pubs, after all its just a drinking establishment really with very friendly drinkers inside! What the social distancing will do to people’s willingness to play with strangers may be something else, but I think as time goes on people will just slowly become less scared and slip back into old ways! I’m expecting one hell of a horny sex starved party when they do open " Absolutely, there’s no difference between this and the local bar/restaurant. In so much as distance etc. and you telling me that NO one will enter into a new relationship this side of cure Covid!! Open clubs July, also give with other places IF numbers permt. Ie R remains below 1. | |||
"Think if everyone is waiting for a magic cure then they will be waiting for years Best we can hope for is a flu type vaccination which only reduces the symptoms and doesn't stop you still getting it or dying from it if your elderly or have underlying illnesses The way virus mutate it will hard to eradicate it totally but as with most virus people will build up an immune system to it They now saying many already had it in Nov n Dec some were that mild they never realised they had it We want to look on the optimistic side of things The ammount of deaths have been awful but many more have recovered than died so that's a plus to hold onto Having been at work all through this has helped with stress many are suffering from in isolation A flu type vaccine reducing symptoms etc would be a hugely successful outcome" Agree but even with the flu jab over 6000 people a year still die from flu | |||
"Goodbye to clubs .social distancing is going to be part of our lives for along time .
Unfortunately i fully agree.
Our little recreational adventure playgrounds aren't funded, backed or even welcomed by councils and governments.
With lockdown thoroughly burning into highstreet companies financial backup funds now they are starting to fall by the wayside, clubs rely fully on paying members just to stay on even ground at the best of times.
I dread to think how many will close forever due to this virus.
Its sad to see the owners who have poured years of hard work into keeping them open now staring at a possible closure through no fault of their own. "The same goes for pubs, cafes, night clubs and most of the leisure industry | |||
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"It isn't just clubs but all places where we will be in contact with others such as spas, swimming pools, gyms, cinemas, all sorts of sports centres and this isn't even mentioning pubs and restaurants - it is such a mess - but we had better think of some workaround because as humans we need social contact and we cannot just watch our whole world implode because of a communist virus!" I don't think the virus has a political affiliation -  | |||
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"Clubs won’t open for a long time. Only place it will be possible to play is in private houses with trusted known people The idea of meeting strangers in clubs is gone for a long time if not forever until a cure and a vaccine are found " I really hope you are wrong, but I fear that you are right. | |||
"Clubs won’t open for a long time. Only place it will be possible to play is in private houses with trusted known people The idea of meeting strangers in clubs is gone for a long time if not forever until a cure and a vaccine are found I really hope you are wrong, but I fear that you are right. "Yep, sadly they are gone. Maybe not forever but certainly for a few years | |||
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"They mention that gym and leisure facilities July and August so clubs surely can not be that far behind " How is going to the gym, using machines on your own which could easily be spaced out 2 metres apart be similar to clubs where people go to have sex with strangers, skin to skin? The comparison of the 2 are poles apart | |||
"Social distancing in a swingers club is possible but that would make it just a social club with no swinging. That is the only way that the clubs can run for a while and with limited people in the clubs. That is is the only way that you can support a club if possible. Otherwise it will probably be next year. " They could do it just by allowing couples who are together and regular fwb’s but not random singles. Others to social interact with a 2m gap. | |||
"They mention that gym and leisure facilities July and August so clubs surely can not be that far behind How is going to the gym, using machines on your own which could easily be spaced out 2 metres apart be similar to clubs where people go to have sex with strangers, skin to skin? The comparison of the 2 are poles apart " The thought of all of those unfit people coming back to rowing machines, treadmills and the like worries me! The fact that you breath harder when working out with make any virus spores or droplets travel much further than normal. It`s in concentration too so looking at it like this means I`d sooner be in a club than in a gym! OK, I`m a lazy git too which helps my reasoning! | |||
"They could do it just by allowing couples who are together and regular fwb’s but not random singles. Others to social interact with a 2m gap. " But why go to a club just to do that ? Simpler and easier to do it in a private house if you can. The main reason people go to clubs is to meet new people - ie strangers. Will people still want to do that even if clubs are allowed to open ? And now the Health and Safety Executive has now been given the task of inspecting all premises to ensure they are social distancing. So sadly it’s goodbye to clubs for the foreseeable future. | |||
"They could do it just by allowing couples who are together and regular fwb’s but not random singles. Others to social interact with a 2m gap. But why go to a club just to do that ? Simpler and easier to do it in a private house if you can. The main reason people go to clubs is to meet new people - ie strangers. Will people still want to do that even if clubs are allowed to open ? And now the Health and Safety Executive has now been given the task of inspecting all premises to ensure they are social distancing. So sadly it’s goodbye to clubs for the foreseeable future. " Well myself and my FWB went to a club for that reason, neither of us accommodate for personal reasons. Also there is a social aspect of clubs. I see no reason why they can’t open with some rules in place. | |||
"They mention that gym and leisure facilities July and August so clubs surely can not be that far behind " Dear oh dear. What a comparison! | |||
"They mention that gym and leisure facilities July and August so clubs surely can not be that far behind Dear oh dear. What a comparison!" Lol | |||
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"They mention that gym and leisure facilities July and August so clubs surely can not be that far behind How is going to the gym, using machines on your own which could easily be spaced out 2 metres apart be similar to clubs where people go to have sex with strangers, skin to skin? The comparison of the 2 are poles apart "  | |||
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"Now the furlough has been extended to the end of October i think we`ve seen the end of clubs till at least that time. A large majority of fuloughed workers are in the hospitality trade whether it be hotels,pubs, venues even "our" clubs, they want to keep them shut. Private parties will be the only way until then. I really hope i`m wrong!!" Unfortunately I think that you are bang on.!!!
Although when private parties are allowed, I am sure it will be very much welcomed by the swinging world. | |||
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"Now the furlough has been extended to the end of October i think we`ve seen the end of clubs till at least that time. A large majority of fuloughed workers are in the hospitality trade whether it be hotels,pubs, venues even "our" clubs, they want to keep them shut. Private parties will be the only way until then. I really hope i`m wrong!! Unfortunately I think that you are bang on.!!!
Although when private parties are allowed, I am sure it will be very much welcomed by the swinging world. "I can just see Boris at the daily briefing saying; "Yes, from next Wednesday swingers are again allowed to meet. Not in clubs but private party's only". And then Robert Pest and Laura Kuntburg discussing the in's and out's of swinging.  | |||
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"Now the furlough has been extended to the end of October i think we`ve seen the end of clubs till at least that time. A large majority of fuloughed workers are in the hospitality trade whether it be hotels,pubs, venues even "our" clubs, they want to keep them shut. Private parties will be the only way until then. I really hope i`m wrong!!" The government is trying to get businesses reopened and everyone back to work in steps. Pubs etc are looking at ways they can get customers back in. Clubs will follow. | |||
"They mention that gym and leisure facilities July and August so clubs surely can not be that far behind How is going to the gym, using machines on your own which could easily be spaced out 2 metres apart be similar to clubs where people go to have sex with strangers, skin to skin? The comparison of the 2 are poles apart " As a gym member...lifting weights, bars, touching pins in machines, moving benches, adjusting seating etc etc there’s no way members will clean down the devices that they touch. They can’t even put weights back, so asking them to clean them is not going to happen. I get the skin-skin difference, but it’s still possible for others to leave / catch the virus. From touching items. | |||
"They mention that gym and leisure facilities July and August so clubs surely can not be that far behind How is going to the gym, using machines on your own which could easily be spaced out 2 metres apart be similar to clubs where people go to have sex with strangers, skin to skin? The comparison of the 2 are poles apart "See my comment above! Loads of sweaty people gulping air in and out in larger quantities in a relatively confined area? Not a lot different to skin on skin body contact if you think more about! | |||
"They mention that gym and leisure facilities July and August so clubs surely can not be that far behind How is going to the gym, using machines on your own which could easily be spaced out 2 metres apart be similar to clubs where people go to have sex with strangers, skin to skin? The comparison of the 2 are poles apart As a gym member...lifting weights, bars, touching pins in machines, moving benches, adjusting seating etc etc there’s no way members will clean down the devices that they touch. They can’t even put weights back, so asking them to clean them is not going to happen. I get the skin-skin difference, but it’s still possible for others to leave / catch the virus. From touching items." I am a weight lifter and our gym spaced out equipment, reduced numbers in the gym and had anti bac at every station before the lockdown. So roughly about 1 week before, the gym radically changed. Because a lot of people weren't taking Covid seriously, only a small number of people were using the anti bac. I think now, most people would, just to get back into the gym; they would adhere to the guidelines, just to ensure that they could restart their training. I witnessed benches being wiped down, dumb bell, barbell bars, bench press and deadlift bars being cleaning. What won't happen is things like deadlift clamps, weight machine pins, disc weights etc...being wiped down. However, I think if everyone had a very quick induction back into the gym as to how people should clean and handle the equipment, most would adhere to it, just so they don't lose the gym again. I was in the gym on the afternoon of lockdown. It was dead and it was a great session, but I miss it so much!!! I would bend over backwards with cleaning just to get back in as my own free weights just aren't heavy and sturdy enough. In the gym, most people keep themselves to themselves and socially distance just because they are focussed. The main issue is flyiing sweat, which isn't too bad if equipment is spaced out and cleaning. If these can be addressed, then it shouldn't be too hard. The changing rooms are also an issue, but maybe close them. Make people go home sweaty and shower at home. Clubs are all about up close conversation, flirting, bare skin, groups of people having a laugh together prior to going upstairs, dancing (in our club) and a packed space (again, in our club). Then there's the actual play itself. There is no way a swingers club can socially distance and operate as a swingers club. But a gym can operate as a gym, socially distance and attempt to encourage people to clean equipment. Vicky xx | |||
"Goodbye to clubs .social distancing is going to be part of our lives for along time . "Goodbye swinging too. It's going to be measured in years not months ... | |||
"They mention that gym and leisure facilities July and August so clubs surely can not be that far behind How is going to the gym, using machines on your own which could easily be spaced out 2 metres apart be similar to clubs where people go to have sex with strangers, skin to skin? The comparison of the 2 are poles apart As a gym member...lifting weights, bars, touching pins in machines, moving benches, adjusting seating etc etc there’s no way members will clean down the devices that they touch. They can’t even put weights back, so asking them to clean them is not going to happen. I get the skin-skin difference, but it’s still possible for others to leave / catch the virus. From touching items. I am a weight lifter and our gym spaced out equipment, reduced numbers in the gym and had anti bac at every station before the lockdown. So roughly about 1 week before, the gym radically changed. Because a lot of people weren't taking Covid seriously, only a small number of people were using the anti bac. I think now, most people would, just to get back into the gym; they would adhere to the guidelines, just to ensure that they could restart their training. I witnessed benches being wiped down, dumb bell, barbell bars, bench press and deadlift bars being cleaning. What won't happen is things like deadlift clamps, weight machine pins, disc weights etc...being wiped down. However, I think if everyone had a very quick induction back into the gym as to how people should clean and handle the equipment, most would adhere to it, just so they don't lose the gym again. I was in the gym on the afternoon of lockdown. It was dead and it was a great session, but I miss it so much!!! I would bend over backwards with cleaning just to get back in as my own free weights just aren't heavy and sturdy enough. In the gym, most people keep themselves to themselves and socially distance just because they are focussed. The main issue is flyiing sweat, which isn't too bad if equipment is spaced out and cleaning. If these can be addressed, then it shouldn't be too hard. The changing rooms are also an issue, but maybe close them. Make people go home sweaty and shower at home. Clubs are all about up close conversation, flirting, bare skin, groups of people having a laugh together prior to going upstairs, dancing (in our club) and a packed space (again, in our club). Then there's the actual play itself. There is no way a swingers club can socially distance and operate as a swingers club. But a gym can operate as a gym, socially distance and attempt to encourage people to clean equipment. Vicky xx " I think you highlight the biggest misconception, the biggest issue isn’t flying sweat, contact etc. sure, if it gets onto surfaces and hands then rubbed into eyes of mouths etc yes that is a problem but as you suggest careful cleaning of areas and more importantly hand cleansing is a fairly robust defence against that. A guy or girl using a set of equipment is going to stay for a period of time and breath (in this case heavily), that will put a cloud of infectious particles into air of the immediate surroundings. That station can then undergo the complete ‘Kim and Aggy’ bleach treatment... it doesn’t matter, the next person coming into that cloud and given even a short stay whilst working out is likely to breath in enough particles to give them the virus. It takes between 4-6 hours for the particles to drop from the atmosphere indoors so obviously the potential for a number of people to use that space is high, add to that the other spaces the infected person uses and suddenly it’s just ridiculously high risk. Obviously the same would apply to clubs, playrooms, bars etc. When we think of ‘club life’ our first concern might be snogging Covid man/woman but in reality using the playroom Covid man used a few hours before is also highly likely to get you too, in both scenarios you also have no defence really. It’s a tricky one to solve, open windows, through winds etc help clear the air but when you have people in the area who are infected you then just help carry the virus across to other areas and potentially infect more people. | |||
"They mention that gym and leisure facilities July and August so clubs surely can not be that far behind How is going to the gym, using machines on your own which could easily be spaced out 2 metres apart be similar to clubs where people go to have sex with strangers, skin to skin? The comparison of the 2 are poles apart As a gym member...lifting weights, bars, touching pins in machines, moving benches, adjusting seating etc etc there’s no way members will clean down the devices that they touch. They can’t even put weights back, so asking them to clean them is not going to happen. I get the skin-skin difference, but it’s still possible for others to leave / catch the virus. From touching items. I am a weight lifter and our gym spaced out equipment, reduced numbers in the gym and had anti bac at every station before the lockdown. So roughly about 1 week before, the gym radically changed. Because a lot of people weren't taking Covid seriously, only a small number of people were using the anti bac. I think now, most people would, just to get back into the gym; they would adhere to the guidelines, just to ensure that they could restart their training. I witnessed benches being wiped down, dumb bell, barbell bars, bench press and deadlift bars being cleaning. What won't happen is things like deadlift clamps, weight machine pins, disc weights etc...being wiped down. However, I think if everyone had a very quick induction back into the gym as to how people should clean and handle the equipment, most would adhere to it, just so they don't lose the gym again. I was in the gym on the afternoon of lockdown. It was dead and it was a great session, but I miss it so much!!! I would bend over backwards with cleaning just to get back in as my own free weights just aren't heavy and sturdy enough. In the gym, most people keep themselves to themselves and socially distance just because they are focussed. The main issue is flyiing sweat, which isn't too bad if equipment is spaced out and cleaning. If these can be addressed, then it shouldn't be too hard. The changing rooms are also an issue, but maybe close them. Make people go home sweaty and shower at home. Clubs are all about up close conversation, flirting, bare skin, groups of people having a laugh together prior to going upstairs, dancing (in our club) and a packed space (again, in our club). Then there's the actual play itself. There is no way a swingers club can socially distance and operate as a swingers club. But a gym can operate as a gym, socially distance and attempt to encourage people to clean equipment. Vicky xx I think you highlight the biggest misconception, the biggest issue isn’t flying sweat, contact etc. sure, if it gets onto surfaces and hands then rubbed into eyes of mouths etc yes that is a problem but as you suggest careful cleaning of areas and more importantly hand cleansing is a fairly robust defence against that. A guy or girl using a set of equipment is going to stay for a period of time and breath (in this case heavily), that will put a cloud of infectious particles into air of the immediate surroundings. That station can then undergo the complete ‘Kim and Aggy’ bleach treatment... it doesn’t matter, the next person coming into that cloud and given even a short stay whilst working out is likely to breath in enough particles to give them the virus. It takes between 4-6 hours for the particles to drop from the atmosphere indoors so obviously the potential for a number of people to use that space is high, add to that the other spaces the infected person uses and suddenly it’s just ridiculously high risk. Obviously the same would apply to clubs, playrooms, bars etc. When we think of ‘club life’ our first concern might be snogging Covid man/woman but in reality using the playroom Covid man used a few hours before is also highly likely to get you too, in both scenarios you also have no defence really. It’s a tricky one to solve, open windows, through winds etc help clear the air but when you have people in the area who are infected you then just help carry the virus across to other areas and potentially infect more people. " Our gym has contacted all members and have said that they are installing massive industrial extractors and air con units in the ceilings to try suck out bad air and replenish it with clean air. Who knows if this will work?!  | |||
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"Goodbye to clubs .social distancing is going to be part of our lives for along time .
Goodbye swinging too. It's going to be measured in years not months ..."It will go to the old days couples meeting in houses.. Nik | |||
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"We think clubs are gonna die of if not from the virus from lack of attendance the income wont even pay to turn the place on so sad we also think dogging gonna be bigger that's our thought good luck guys " You might find Clubs busier than ever when they reopen! People having been in lockdown and unable to meet their friends for weeks or months. | |||
"You might find Clubs busier than ever when they reopen! People having been in lockdown and unable to meet their friends for weeks or months." You are right after lockdown there will be some folks even more keen to attend a club but unfortunately i think the offset number of people who won't want to take a risk will be significantly greater. Over time hopefully more and more will start considering the risk acceptable. | |||
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"You might find Clubs busier than ever when they reopen! People having been in lockdown and unable to meet their friends for weeks or months. You are right after lockdown there will be some folks even more keen to attend a club but unfortunately i think the offset number of people who won't want to take a risk will be significantly greater. Over time hopefully more and more will start considering the risk acceptable. " How the surviving clubs fare when they re-open will depend on the ratio between two factors. How many clubs survive and how many people back away from clubs. A simple example would be that 50% of clubs survive but 50% of clubbers back away. Overall result for the surviving clubs would be as you were. Of course there would be localised ups and downs but the overall picture would be the same. Should more clubs survive and more people back away then numbers per club would be down. Equally if less clubs survive and less back away then they will be busier. It really is crystal ball territory at the moment. | |||
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"The 50% idea is difficult due to geographical locations of clubs. For us in South West chams in Birmingham was about as far as we wanted to travel. No easy answers. " The 50% thing was just for illustration and, like I said, there will be localised ups and downs, but I was looking more at the big picture. But yes, there are no easy answers. | |||
"I’m still optimistic that they will reopen with pubs, after all its just a drinking establishment really with very friendly drinkers inside! What the social distancing will do to people’s willingness to play with strangers may be something else, but I think as time goes on people will just slowly become less scared and slip back into old ways! I’m expecting one hell of a horny sex starved party when they do open " thats what im hopeing lol. | |||
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"Cinemas etc need to return so much revenue per seat, so if half of seats have to remain empty, the other half will double in price, will it really work?" I've been to a movie many times and been the only person in there lol | |||
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"Cinemas etc need to return so much revenue per seat, so if half of seats have to remain empty, the other half will double in price, will it really work?" I actually think cinemas (that survive) might do ok after this.. over recent years they have had dwindling numbers anyway. But people might fancy a trip to the cinema more having not been allowed to go for a few months, so it might help pick the business back up. I dunno, just a theory | |||
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"Think if everyone is waiting for a magic cure then they will be waiting for years Best we can hope for is a flu type vaccination which only reduces the symptoms and doesn't stop you still getting it or dying from it if your elderly or have underlying illnesses The way virus mutate it will hard to eradicate it totally but as with most virus people will build up an immune system to it They now saying many already had it in Nov n Dec some were that mild they never realised they had it We want to look on the optimistic side of things The ammount of deaths have been awful but many more have recovered than died so that's a plus to hold onto Having been at work all through this has helped with stress many are suffering from in isolation " I had it and was bad in March before lock down, I know lots who have had it too , none I was in contact with either! They won’t bring out a special guideline for swingers clubs it will just come under heading of drinkers clubs and reopen but how many will want to go after this? We all need to just get back to normal and build herd immunity like you say it ain’t going away | |||
"Clubs won’t open for a long time. Only place it will be possible to play is in private houses with trusted known people The idea of meeting strangers in clubs is gone for a long time if not forever until a cure and a vaccine are found " So you can’t catch it if you know the people? | |||
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